Donovan McNabb is probably never going to play in the NFL again, unless he’s willing to take a job as a backup. Even then, he’ll probably still complain about being a backup and demand that he be allowed to compete for the starting job. At least that’s what I assume is the thought process of any GM looking for a competent veteran, because otherwise he’d be a Miami Dolphin.
It seems that McNabb may have accepted this idea now as well, because he’s already taking the next step in his career – promoting himself for the NFL Hall of Fame. According to McNabb, he’s as good as in.
“What happens a lot of times is we look at what the list says, so we talk about the five NFC Championship Games, the six Pro Bowls and then we come to the end, ‘Well, he never won the big game,’ ” McNabb told Mark Kriegel of FoxSports.com, via the Philadelphia Daily News. “Well, Peyton never won the big game until he won the Super Bowl. Dan Marino never won the big game. Does that mean his career is a failure? No, not at all.” (Via NFL.com)
That’s right, the big game is the Super Bowl, and Peyton Manning never won the big game until he won the big game. Aside from the fact that Manning and Marino are two of the most proficient passers in NFL history, that’s incredible logic right there. But let’s go ahead and destroy that logic for the sake of building a self-beneficial argument.
“First of all is his numbers. How many times has he led his team to the big game?” McNabb said. “The big game still is the NFC Championship Game, the game to lead you there, and most importantly of all, did he make the players around him better? In his time, in his era, was he a top-five, top-10 quarterback in the league?”
Okay, that’s more convenient, making the NFC Championship Game the “big game”. The Super Bowl is just the Pro Bowl play-in game at this point, so what matters is the conference championship. That must be why Jim Kelly is in the Hall of Fame. He sucked at winning Super Bowls, but they don’t matter. He was, however, awesome at winning the AFC Championship, and that’s the “big game”. But if that is the argument, it’s pretty weak, because McNabb was 1-4 in his big games.
I want to be fair, though. First, since McNabb invoked Manning and Marino as examples, let’s compare this trio.
Passing Yards
2. Dan Marino – 61,361
3. Peyton Manning – 54,828
17. Donovan McNabb – 37,276 yards (ahead of Steve Young, Troy Aikman, Jim Kelly, and Sonny Jurgensen, but behind Drew Bledsoe, Kerry Collins and Dave Krieg)Passing Touchdowns
2. Dan Marino – 420
3. Peyton Manning – 399
21. Donovan McNabb – 234 (behind almost every HOF QB, ahead of Steve Young, Terry Bradshaw and Y.A. Tittle)Completed Passes
2. Dan Marino – 4,967
3. Peyton manning – 4,682
14. Donovan McNabb – 3,170 (ahead of Troy Aikman, Jim Kelly, Johnny Unitas and Steve Young, but behind Drew Bledsoe, Vinny Testaverde and Kerry Collins)
But McNabb also had a pretty solid rushing game, so let’s take that into consideration as well. He was obviously clearly better than Marino and Manning at running.
Rushing Yards
6th – 3,459 rushing yards, 29 rushing TDs (95 fumbles) (behind Mike Vick, Randall Cunningham, Steve Young, Fran Tarkenton and Steve McNair, and ahead of John Elway)
I also want to point out that in 13 seasons, the guy only started every regular season game 4 times. I know people will argue that it’s an irrelevant point, but it just really jumps out at me.
Now let’s go back and visit those 5 “big games” that McNabb led his Philadelphia Eagles to. As previously stated, McNabb was 1-4 in NFC Championship Games in his career. Can we blame him for his performances in those 4 losses?
2008 NFC Championship Game – 28/47, 375 yards, 3 TD/1 INT (Arizona 32, Philly 25)
2003 NFC Championship Game – 10/22, 100 yards, 3 INT (Carolina 14, Philly 3)
2002 NFC Championship Game – 26/49, 243 yards, 1 INT (Tampa Bay 27, Philly 10)
2001 NFC Championship Game – 18/30, 171 yards, 1 TD/1 INT (St. Louis 29, Philly 24)
This is debatable, but without actually going back and re-watching these games – I ain’t making John Clayton green – I’m pinning 3 of those losses on McNabb’s poor play. I’m willing to bet that a lot of Eagles fans will agree. But what about that Super Bowl?
Super Bowl XXXIX (2004) – 30/51, 357 yards, 3 TD/3 INT (New England 24, Philly 21)
That’s obviously not entirely McNabb’s fault. Sure, those 3 picks sucked as much as anyone could suck, but some blame has to fall on the defense. Either way, McNabb certainly has a case for the Hall, but I say no. And my basis for that is the 3 seasons that I had him as a fantasy QB and I didn’t win once.
I know, it’s baffling that I don’t have an actual vote.
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I think the 08 ‘Big Game’ against Arizona really exemplifies McNabb’s career. A decent game, but when Arizona took the lead at the end, they left just enough time on the clock for McNabb to fuck things up.
I guess he’s the second-best Eagles quarterback (That I’ve seen, anyway, yays for Randall Cunningham!), and if the second-best 49ers and Cowboys quarterbacks can make the Hall, why not Eagles?
The only thing Cunningham did better than McNabb was run. He doesn’t beat McNabb in any other category.
Cunningham was also a pretty good video game football character if I remember correctly.
I’ll be honest, I didn’t look at stats or anything, the 5-year old me just over-rode everything else and said “Cunningham, yay! He’s the best!”
“Cunningham was also a pretty good video game football character if I remember correctly.”
That argument holds far more sway with me than it should. It’s also why I believe Bo Jackson was a first ballot Hall of Famer, and no fact can tell me otherwise.
ugh, because the 49ers and cowboys organizations have 5 SBs?
And he’s no where near the 2nd best Eagles QB.
Yeah, that was kind of the joke, regarding 49ers and Cowboys.
Eh, I’m too young to know anybody before Cunningham.
Which three Eagles QB’s are better than he is?
Looking through their history, they had Jaworski, Sonny Jurgensen, and Norm Van Brocklin, even though Sonny and Norm only played 3 seaons in Philadelphia.
Maybe he thinks Bubby Brister and Ty Detmer were the bee’s knees?
Jaworski’s, Jurgensen’s, and van Brocklin’s numbers just don’t hold up to McNabb’s.
We can’t really compare passing stats because there are three completely different eras, but McNabb’s long period of winning and winning % crushes the other three guys (and Cunnningham too).
Jaworski had one good year in 1980. I remember Jurgensen as a Redskin, and he was a much better Redskin than McNabb was. I don’t know shit about Norm van Brocklin.
Philly fan doesn’t like McNabb
It’s hard to pin any of the NFC losses except the TB game (a terrible read and a terrible throw in a crucial situation late in the game) on McNabb’s play.
St. Louis game – The Eagles were not supposed to even be in that game, and against the defending SB champs, he had them driving for a potential game-winning score when Aeneas Williams (who SHOULD be a HoFer, I’m not so sure about McNabb) made an outstanding play and a game-sealing interception.
Carolina game – McNabb gets his sternum cracked on a late hit early in the 2nd quarter, is shuffled in and out of the remainder of the game, plays poorly. WR’s can’t get open due to aggressive press coverage by the Panther CBs, which prompts the 5-yard “illegal contact” rule change in the offseason.
Arizona game – Probably the only other one you can blame on McNabb. Played extremely poorly in the first half as the Eagles D got torched repeatedly, came on strong and put the team in front late in the 4th, but D couldn’t hold the lead and the final drive fell apart on one poor pass, two drops, and a 4th & 10 incompletion that could have been called pass interference (looked like the Cardinal DB reached out and tripped Kevin Curtis as the ball arrived).
Again, I’m not sure he’s a HoFer – only one truly great season (TO’s full year in 2004). Completion percentage below average, too many shortcomings in pressure situations.
I couldn’t remember which game was the sternum. Figures that it was Carolina.
If McNabb wants to get into the HoF, all he has to do is show video from practice where he tried using his passes to lead TO into a collision with the popcorn vendors!
The problem for McNabb is that Philly fan wanted Ricky Williams and still thinks Williams would have been a better choice. So they ragged on him for 11 years and he just took it.
I think you mean philly fans because philly fan makes no sense. I’m not a Philly fan or fans but, what else was he going to do but take it. He was a good QB nothing more that literally (you know when people say literally they really don’t mean literally well I actually mean literally) choked during the SB.
I’m pretty sure if you go to a Phillies game and ask a guy in a red hat with a “P” on it if Donovan McNabb is a HOF’er he’ll punch you in the face.
McNabby had several good years, but in the era of passing the official answer is:
If Mcnabb makes it and Stabler doesn’t
I retire from watching football to make the HoF in 5 years. Stupid typos.
The media came across as liking McNabb while he played, so, I say he’ll eventually get in. Personally, I think he should be one of those very good players who just wasn’t good enough to get into the HOF.