Allison Van Pelt* has worked “for the better part of a decade” in multiple jobs in and around professional football. Before today, I knew who she was, but relatively little about her experience in the game. In the wake of this this Ines Sainz/Clinton Portis business, Allison wanted to deliver some of her thoughts on how women have been treated in the game over the course of her career. We were only too happy to accommodate.
I was recently told by a superior that I am lucky to work for a company that gives me the respect they do, given that I am a female in the football industry.
The part about getting respect here is true. I certainly no longer feel uncomfortable, as I did when I was working for other football-related organizations. I don’t have to worry about ignoring the type of comments that Ines Sainz heard from Jets players and coaches, and Brett Favre isn’t sending me pictures of his junk.
But does that mean I should consider myself lucky? That would be like saying that all women in the corporate world are “lucky” that they no longer live in a Mad Men-esque world, where looking as attractive as possible to your employer is considered a career goal.
The fact that the inappropriate treatment of women is still somehow extremely prevalent in the football industry doesn’t make it right.
When I worked for a football team, I was put into all kinds of awkward situations. One player, who always yelled “hey sugar” across the room to every female he saw passing by, also constantly stopped to lick his lips while staring at my toes and ask me if he could lick barbeque sauce off of them.
Another would simply walk up very close to me, usually while I was having a work-related conversation with someone else, and simply look me up and down, make some sort of sexual grunting noise, then walk away.
A Hall of Fame coach, though what he said to me was almost always perfectly work-appropriate, said these things while looking…well, not at my face.
Even recently, when I was introduced to a team owner, I was given an awkwardly long handshake with a thorough up-and-down eyeing. At the end of the conversation, my colleague was invited to dinner and told to “bring this pretty young lady” with him.
Now, could I have perhaps avoided all of these things by refusing to wear open-toed shoes, leaving my hair in disarray, and wearing no make-up to work? Perhaps. Although my body and my outfits look nothing like Sainz’s, I don’t exactly try to make myself look as unappealing as possible. But the point is that I shouldn’t have to. If I want to look nice, that shouldn’t be considered an invite to treat me like a sexual object.
Wearing heels and a relatively modest dress to work should never be interpreted as a woman “asking for it.”
I don’t think that everything Sainz wore was work-appropriate, and I know many other women in the industry who dress provocatively specifically to get attention. I won’t pretend to support their behavior. However, these women are simply not professionals, and they WILL eventually get weeded out of this business.
What I have a major problem with is the fact that the MEN who act inappropriately will not. They and many of their fans will simply make excuses like, “She was asking for the players to say something with the way she was dressed,” or “How do you expect 53 guys to act when they’re in the locker room?”
Well, my answer to the second question is, “Like professional athletes”. Emphasis on the “professional”. This is your job and you are at work, and in no other industry would behaving the way you do towards female co-workers be acceptable. Football should not be an exception.
Many football players are wonderful guys and complete gentlemen, and I’m sorry that you have to be lumped in with your colleagues who have no self-control or sense of workplace decorum. But if all of you, as a group, want to be considered grown men with intelligence and stop being stereotyped as barbaric cavemen, you will have to show each other that it is simply not okay to act like the latter.
And as for you, Clinton Portis – no, I’m not interested in you, your teammates, or any of your packages. Thanks for asking.
*Allison Van Pelt is a pseudonym. Our author did not wish to disclose her identity.
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Grown men acting like adolescents. Pathetic.
Classy gentlemen ask to like hollandaise sauce off of toes.
I agree with almost everything you said in this post, but I have to take issue with your last paragraph. You are basically saying tough luck to all the players that act appropriately, they will be lumped in with the assholes, and yet earlier in your post you take no responsibility for the female reporters who “dress provocatively specifically to get attention”, You say they will eventually be weeded out.
If it’s up to all the players to show the assholes that it isn’t okay to act the way they do, isn’t it then your and the other professional female reporters’ responsibility to make sure the attention seekers know the way they act isn’t okay either?
“Allison,” that door swings both ways:
Many [female sports reporters] are [wonderful womend and complete ladies], and I’m sorry that you have to be lumped in with your colleagues who have no [understanding of professional dress and deportment nor] sense of workplace decorum. But if all of you, as a group, want to be considered grown [women with intelligence and stop being stereotyped as ditzy barbie dolls], you will have to show each other that it is simply not okay to [dress like a whore while purporting to be a reporter].
@J: BINGO!
Professionalism aside, it’s funny to think that a bunch of athletes who can have their pick of women act like it’s the first time they’ve seen a hot blonde. Act like you’ve gotten your dick wet before.
It must have been hard to type this with Zeke Mowatt’s cock in her hands.
“Professional Athletes” is a lot different than a “Human Resource Professional”. I’m not trying to take up for them or say what they did was right, but don’t go into the forest and complain about the trees. The locker rooms are full of 20 something year old men that, in a lot of cases weren’t raised to carry themselves as the almighty “Professional Athlete” with a heart of gold. They are kids, given millions of dollars to play a game. Don’t be surprised or offended when they act as such. If you want to go in the locker room, then be prepared to, well, be in a locker room.
I was a bull dyke before they had a word for it. I was fisting reporters while this skank was in diapers. I use to go down on chicks before it was fashionable to shave the pubic area. I could spit a pube for 3 1/2 feet before it loses any velocity. The good people of The City of NY have seen fit to name an entire sports complex after me, and why ? Because I was a professional damnit.
Billie Jean King is a Pseudonym for No One Bitch. Thats how I roll
I’m completely shocked that men tend to stare at a woman’s breasts while talking to them.
Oh fuck you Billie Jean
@RTH (and most other commentors) This same “boys will be boys” logic was used in the 50s to justify sexual harassment in the corporate workplace. Just because that’s how it is doesn’t mean it should be okay. We should aim higher instead of making excuses for the status quo.
@J Valid point. But like I said, the unprofessional women tend to get weeded out on their own. Unfortunately for some of the wonderful men of the NFL, that’s not the case for the players. I don’t think the whole group should take responsibility for the bad apples, but I would like to see a player publicly stating that that kind of behavior is inappropriate instead of publicly stating that she probably wanted their bodies.
This is just like when I used to cover women’s college sports and tried to get in the locker room.
First of all this article is copacetic. But we all agree that you are nuts and should shut up.
@”Allison”
I agree men should try to act with respect, but I don’t see why anyone would demand access to men (or women) literally coming out of the shower, then follow them across the room, stand there as they dress and expect a “professional” environment. If it were a true “professional” environment, then reporters (men and women) should stand outside and at least let them get dressed.
Out of curiosity (I really don’t know), are men allowed into women’s sports locker rooms? Do men get to stand outside of the shower while female tennis players, WNBA, or LPA players shower, then question them while they are in literally nothing but a towel, or are changing from a towel to clothes, just feet away? If not, why is that?
@ Allison
It doesn’t look like Sainz is going to get “weeded out”. It looks like she is going to get paid. Which will just inspire some other “reporter” to follow the playbook and continue the cycle in a few years.
I’m actually a little sick of the lack of respect for Testosterone. No really! After all these years women still don’t get it and we are all supposed to act indignant about something that is natural and part of our make up. Testosterone is what makes men bigger, stronger, more aggresive and frankly Sexual. Women are still surprised that cat calls and other harrassment exists because they remain oblivious to the power of our overpowering nature. Look. If a women injects testosterone, it will make her voice deeper, increase her sexual appetite, and eventually cause her muscles to develop – even grow facial hair!!! I’m so tired of apologizing for something that is deeply embedded in most men and admired and celebrated in our athletes. Even a couch potato will jump off the couch, screaming and yelling due to great gameplay- an almost involutary chain reaction driven by Testosterone. It doesn’t matter what she has on, she is female, they are male, they have lots of testosterone and nowhere to put it except the field usually. I DO excuse these men because they are the strong and talented men who allow us to take all of our collective aggression out on an opposing force/team; the age-old battle between good and evil! Women need to get real and realize that professionalism is for the workplace and while we “corporates” will do our best to not get caught staring at your chest, rear, feet, or hair… Leave our gladiators alone. Accept it or wait in the press room.
-Testosterone
When “professional” journalists use flirtation, sitting on players shoulders, measuring their biceps, dressing provocatively (do you think she is looking to provoke intellectual discussions about physics with those jeans?) in jeans tighter than a frog’s ass,as a means to acquire face time with athletes. In this case she was asking for “it”. “It” being verbal reactions appropriate to how she carried herself. She wasn’t raped or molested.
@ Allison – last point.
The problem is…boys will in fact, be boys. And girls, girls. Dogs will also continue to chase cats. Look at this website you decided to preach to. Look at the ads. Look at the banner images (Nice hand bra, huh?) The website and so many others exactly like it are wildly successful because the “sell” two things: sports and sex. This is not a “the Jets have bad people on their team” problem. It’s that boys will be boys. This is the world we always have and always will live in. And yet, people acted shocked this happened. It may not be the most “Professional” way in the world to act, but it is just how it is. Ask any male from 15 to 30 what the overriding thing going through their mind is, and guess what it will be. Again, this is just the world as it is, which for some is unfortunate. To me, what is unfortunate is that we live in a society where every time someone gets “offended”, they DEMAND an apology from anything that moves and then expects the entire world to act according to their standards.
The locker room is quite like a huge men’s room. I don’t understand wtf any reporters are doing in there. Outside of the locker room I think the “rules” apply. Outside of this; in college I went to a University where there were future pros and it was a mixed bag of whom cat called at females and acted like their shit did not stink.
For the record, male reporters are allowed into female athlete “locker rooms”, but it is all handled very differently, and generally, its a rare occasion that you see male reporters in a female locker room. When you do, it’s usually in a sub-room removed from the actual locker room, or there is a significant delay for the female athletes to prepare themselves before reporters are let in.
we’re talking 40+ minutes, compared the 10-15 NFL players get.
@Allison: it’s clear you don’t like the “boys will be boys” mantra, yet you defend what can accurately be described as “girls will be girls.” IOW, dressing to get noticed, flirting to get attention. If a girl dresses to be noticed and flirts to get attention, it’s more than a little disingenuous to complain when she receives both.
And your “they’ll get weeded out” line might be a convenient excuse you use to divorce yourself from any responsibility to bring about the change you seek, but you are completely wrong. Sainz’ career has done nothing but shoot upward ever since she started making a spectacle of herself.
I’m sure your heart’s in the right place, but you need to do some more thinking, and less preaching / finger wagging.
Why post this article. I couldnt even read that whinefest. It was making my ears bleed, cause i couldnt read it with out hearing some c yapping. It may as well have said pms over and over for 600 words. I dont come to with leather to see women being sh*t on literally or figuratively, but i for sure dont come here for that lilith fair hot garbage
To those wondering why this was posted: this is the perspective of a woman that has had to work in that environment, an environment that seems to be, for me, at the center of this debate. It’s a departure from our usual content, but one that I felt had value to offer to anyone willing to read it.
allison… you fix Title IX and I’ll start giving a crap when some dolled up trollop gets whistled at
Essentially the argument seems to be this: women can dress however they want and express their sexuality openly, but men are not allowed to react to this behavior in any sexual way.
If the Jets committed any form of abuse or crime, then lock them up and throw away the key. But catcalling and gawking is neither criminal nor abusive, it is merely boorish. And all men have behaved boorishly at more than one time in their life.
Allison, you’re asking men to never behave like immature frat-boys. In a perfect world, that would be a reasonable request. But in the real world, I can say with 100% seriousness that you’re asking far too much. Men’s sexual urges need an outlet. If you make us repress the outlets that are only mildly harmless, these urges won’t go away. They will surface in anger, bitterness, and resentment against women. Need proof? Just look at the comments section of this and other articles relating to this story.
You think you’re helping women, but all you’re doing is creating more misogynists.
@Bacon Rules.
Where the fuck did she defend Women dressing like whores and women flirting? All she said is that there is nothing wrong with a woman wanting to dress nice. She specifically said she is NOT defending women who flirt and who wear provokative clothes.
Read the fucking article before you post.
As for the article as a whole…..
Couldn’t agree more. There is no justification for acting like a dog around the ladies, especially if she’s dressed in a nice, yet professional manner.
“Men’s sexual urges need an outlet. If you make us repress the outlets that are only mildly harmless, these urges won’t go away. They will surface in anger, bitterness, and resentment against women. Need proof? Just look at the comments section of this and other articles relating to this story.”
Bull shit. Your “outlet” is called a wife or girlfriend – Not a woman trying to do her job that you don’t even know.
And who the fuck are you to say that cat calling and unwanted sexual advances are harmless? Reality check – Those behaviors DO make most woman who aren’t total sluts very uncomfortable. Therefore, unless you’re a total pig, you keep your dick under control and don’t do it.
There are different standards of decorum in different places; city street, press room podium, office workplace, locker room. Creepy owners and cell phone shenanigans are out of bounds, but reporters are in the locker room trying to get the most visceral responses possible. They shouldn’t be allowed to complain when those aren’t communicated in a professional and polite fashion.
Can we get Dick Masterson to weigh in on this topic?
@David: her comments re Sainz are a mirror image of the ‘boys will be boys’ mentality she purports to oppose. “Boys will be boys” is always preceded by comments along the lines of “I don’t approve of their conduct, but…”. Allison has done the EXACT same thing here regarding Sainz. Don’t worry, the school year just started and I’m sure third grade still has a spot for you in reading comprehension class.
@Guess I Am a Caveman I never said never! But in a football OFFICE (locker rooms are little bit different, and whether or not non-players should be there is another interesting issue) where we are CO-WORKERS I expect to be respected. When I’m trying to discuss something with you regarding an upcoming event you’re expected to attend, don’t try to hook up with me or stare at my boobs.
If I talk to you at a night club while wearing a barely-there dress, then I will not be surprised if you act like a sex-crazed caveman, and I won’t care because I can just walk away. But don’t do it when I’m trying to talk to you as part of my job in a work setting – whether you’re a sales rep or a football player.
@David Thanks for the support! Nice to see that you understand where I’m coming from.
@ allison – you should do more research on this trollop and her employer before you go spouting off.
@AB This woman in particular is not what I’m “spouting off” about. While she is the one who has brought attention to the general issue, I want people to know that professional women in this industry deal with this problem constantly.
@Bacon Rules.
Would you care to point out where she defends female reporters dressing provokatively?
This is what she wrote –
Here is the paragraph in question -
“Now, could I have perhaps avoided all of these things by refusing to wear open-toed shoes, leaving my hair in disarray, and wearing no make-up to work? Perhaps. Although my body and my outfits look nothing like Sainz’s, I don’t exactly try to make myself look as unappealing as possible. But the point is that I shouldn’t have to. If I want to look nice, that shouldn’t be considered an invite to treat me like a sexual object.
Wearing heels and a relatively modest dress to work should never be interpreted as a woman “asking for it.”
I don’t think that everything Sainz wore was work-appropriate, and I know many other women in the industry who dress provocatively specifically to get attention. I won’t pretend to support their behavior. However, these women are simply not professionals, and they WILL eventually get weeded out of this business.”
I mean, this should be pretty simple for you to understand. She says she doesn’t support their behavior and says eventually they’ll be replaced by more professional female reporters.
So where the fuck exactly is she supporting slutty looking reporters? She’s clearly opposed to it.
She says -
Just a question on this but am I crazy in thinking a big issue being over looked is if this woman is actually a reporter? I mean what does that term even mean anymore. Is anyone that has a mic considered a reporter in today’s day and age? When a morning zoo radio show or late night show gets a credential for someone to ask absurd questions on the red carpet (or even that absurd superbowl media day) does that person immediately become a “reporter?” Even if they are simply there to illicit a reaction and not report anything?
This woman is a fame monger and attention seeker certainly but is she really a reporter? Do circus style bicep measurements and double lineman piggy back rides count as reporting in today’s world?
The Jets behavior is unacceptable on a human decency level, just as it is when it happens with random dudes and a woman passing on the street, but I find it laughable that this is being turned into a reporter in the workplace issue. Aligning yourself with this sideshow only demeans the profession.
Right, you’re right honey. When’s dinner?
Listen, women get treated like meat sometimes, but you get free drinks bought for you and your car insurance is a lot less than mine.
I’d gladly take Joe Gibbs staring at my tits to save $1,000 a year with All State.
(seriously though, it’s football. It’s jacked up guys tackling each other. It’s like well-paid, non-confined prison. They might be sexist? NO SHIT. You don’t see me applying at Vogue magazine do you and enduring catcalls from gay men and all attractive women since I am so handsome, do you?)
(seriously. SHOCKINGLY handsome.)
If there is one thing that we can draw from the user comments here though (including mine): Women’s Right Movement? You’ve still got a lot of work to do!
@ David: You’re just not getting it. Allison says she doesn’t support it, but that we should just ignore that part of the problem because (in her words) those reporters will just get weeded out (a theory which is demonstrably false as Sainz’ career has demonstrated). This is the same mindset of the boys-will-be-boys crowd: ambivalence regarding inappropriate behavior. Allison is ok with an attitude of ambivalence toward the bad behavior of female sports reporters, yet decries a culture in which people would be ambivalent about the bad behavior of some male athletes. This is hypocritical. Sadly, because Allison espouses an attitude of ambivalence towards the bad behavior of female reporters she is a part of the problem here.
Her hypocrisy regarding responding to male/female inappropriate behavior as well as her false belief that problematic female reporters will “get weeded out” render her post of little value.
its absurd that women are allowed into males locker rooms while they are dressing as a previous runningback at major college program after a game when your body is black and blue and it takes your last bit of energy just to shower let alone dodge around because some female is strolling the locker room wether she looking or not it still infringes on your right to personal space its accepted that your going to be naked in front of a bunch others guys and while some guys may not be comfortable with it they become accustom to it these guys become a family and after a game emotions are running high I’m not agreeing with abuse to women in any manner but I dont agree that women should have access to a mens locker room during changing or showering your rights dont outweigh mine if your concerned that male reporters have unfair access the answer is to restrict the males reporters access til after the dressing room not infringe on the athlete right to privacy if male reporters start covering high school programs with the same fervor that demands it demands locker room access should you be allowed in theirs and if so should male reporters then be allowed into underaged girls locker rooms i know it an extreme comparison but when and where do we stop
allison by the way unless you are on the field you are not a coworker if a reporter interviews a doctor that doesn’t make them co worker just because you limit your reporting to sports you are not their co worker you are a reporter and an intruder in his and his co worker’s locker room
I will defend the right of women goin into mens locker rooms just like I would defend male reporters the right to go into female locker rooms.
We ALL deserve to be treated equally.
@David “And who the fuck are you to say that cat calling and unwanted sexual advances are harmless?”
I said they were MOSTLY harmless. They usually make women feel uncomfortable. However, being uncomfortable does not equal abuse, at least in any real and legal sense.
Hold the phone silly people. You know This is a bad idea having women reporters in the locker room with naked men. Let’s be real. She’s hot. She got the job because she’s hot. And she’s playing it. Now some moron is going to invoke equal rights amendment. Act professional while naked and a hot blond is saucing around the locker room? Cut the crap! Keep female reporters out of the locker room because it makes sense to do so.
Teams need to set up the post-game conference room and players can meet reporters there. Is there any report of male reporters in a women’s locker room with naked women?
to all who say they defend the rights of women to enter male players locker rooms that all well and good when your not in the locker room it not your choice its not the coaches or the owners choices its the choices of the players baeing forced to bare ball it in front of someone that might make them uncomfortable if you dont play the game never been in a locker room besides your peewee football league basically shut your yap its not your call
@Allison “If I talk to you at a night club while wearing a barely-there dress, then I will not be surprised if you act like a sex-crazed caveman.”
But here is the problem: she was dressed like she was at a nightclub, not professionally. Those jeans weren’t worn for comfort, and there’s a reason they call them “fuck-me” boots.
My larger point is this: men wouldn’t engage in this type of behavior if it wasn’t, on some level, effective. Who do you think has the prettier girlfriend…Mark Sanchez, or David the White Knight? Have you seen the website “HotChicksWithDouchebags.com”? I promise you’ll never see one called “HotChicksWithMaleFeminists.com”
Speaking from personal experience, I’ve had a lot more success with women when I’m more “caveman” than gentleman. Take it from an ex-nice guy…they really do finish last.
When did this fucking site become linked to Redbook?
@ Bacon Rules,
I feel like you’re really taking her statement in that paragraph the wrong way. She never promoted ignoring the behavior of those kinds of reporters. Actually, she never explicitly stated what should be done with reporters like Sainz today.
However, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out where she must stand on that issue. She says she doesn’t support their behavior, that they are unprofessional, and predicts their eventual demise in her profession.
With that being said, I don’t think I’m making a huge leap in suggesting that, if it were up to her, reporters like Sainz wouldn’t be in her profession causing the embarassment that they do.
The main point of Allison’s post was that even the most professional female sports reporters are often treated like sex objects by those in the sports world. I feel like that’s a point that we should all agree on.
@Guess I Am a Caveman,
Have you ever held a job? In any workplace in America, unwanted sexual comments = sexual harassment. Repeated sexual harassment = your ass is fired. It’s absolutely not ok in the real world. The world of sports should be no exception.
As for your last post…. I’m sure you’ve had lots of success with women who have low enough self-esteem that they’re turned on when guys act like douche bags.
Myself… I’m perfectly happy, having a (very beautiful) girlfriend with a strong enough intellect and enough self respect to seek out a gentlemen.
@”me” I’m not a reporter, nor have I ever been one. I worked for an NFL team, as did the players on that team, and that made me their co-worker. Please follow David’s example and read what I write before trying to argue with me.
And it’s depressing that anyone feels like they have to act like an ass to accomplish some life goal of getting a hot chick. Caveman, maybe you should reconsider what you are looking for in the opposite sex. I don’t understand why anyone who isn’t ACTUALLY a douchebag would choose to be a douchebag with a hot chick over being a great guy with a great girl.
I’d love to follow David’s example on this thread of comments but the last time I went to take a piss, turns out there’s a set of balls and a penis down there.
David is obviously very sensitive to the working womans’ plight, and I’m sure his 250+ lb femdom life partner keeps him that way. Internet white Knights are just tired
Anywho,
After reading the article, it sounded like Allison may have had a point. but after reading follow up posts, it sorta sounds like she’s a way different side of the coin than a locker room reporter. So yeah, if some NFL meatlump is harassing the head office secretary, that’s one thing.
Dressing up ‘read my kips’ pants and rubbing down half naked guys in the locker room to get a ‘scoop’ is whole nother. I think WT should have maybe disclaimer’ed this article a tad better if we’re just taking anyones opinion who works for a “team” and calling it an objective debate on harassment. How does the guy who delivers the bagels in the mornings feel? Are his his complaints being taken into account? What about the janitor.
These are pressing questions.
Hey Van Pelt,
This is one of those “it’s all about me” deals isn’t it?
If you are a reporter then just do your damned job and report. You are going into the inner sanctum of sports – the locker room. If you don’t have square one figured out then stay out, wait out in the tunnel and then get your scoop.
Hells bells, what’s next. You gonna start whining about what the fans scream at you since you’ve given them ammo?
If you want to report on what guys say and do then don’t be offended by what they say. Just report it. Do your damned job and stop whining.
Even though you’ve been around a while I don’t think you have a very good take on things anyway. OOOPs! Excuse me I think I might have offended you.
Allison,
Stop your crying. If you women want respect then get the hell out the men’s locker room! You don’t belong there as our nation doesn’t have co-ed facilities yet. And that 1978 law is bs and is a violation of men’s rights accrding to the constitution. You all show no respect to males when you think it is ok to come into a males locker room regardless of what some inept deceased judge said back then. You all think men are disrespecting you?? Take a look in the mirror. You are disrespecting men by violating their right to privacy which is sexual harassment. You wouldn’t get away with that in any other business in america would you? Just using your line girl, as two can play this game. Shame on all of you female reporters who disrespect men. You all show no professionalism at all when you think it is your right to enter a men’s locker room. I’d kick you all out if it was my team. All reporters out!! You women have gotten too full of yourself and need to be reminded of reality. If you don’t like it here go to Iran or Iraq or elsewhere and then maybe you will realize how lucky you crying ladies have it. Would you like to get to know the Taliban? It’s a privilege to live in this country so stop crying already. Remember the guy was right what he told you…..you are lucky….lucky to live in this country where men of war fought for american freedoms including yours. Recognize how lucky you are and one more thing……I don’t care what you consider me and most men don’t either. I know who I am and don’t need your approval. Gentleman or barbaric it does not matter from women who are disrespectful to men and who lack a sense of decency. Maybe you sports reporters should get educated on rights to privacy for the opposite sex and learn some appreciation and thankfulness while your at it.
If you want to be considered a grown women and a lady in the eyes of men, then evolve to a higher level and show some repect to the man who have given you your privileges in the United States. No more complaining from you is your assignment. Class dismissed!
I understand women dont want to be cat called ok thats wrong 100% AGREE thats wrong… but I do think there is a BIGGER PICTURE and its not to slap the men on the hand and make them attend classes and call them Neandorthals.. because its very obvious to me that these men are in whacky way just asking for there privacy , have you not noticed that any player who has spoken up about this says they are uncomfortable with women being in the locker room but its just the way it is . So we are telling these men TOUGH deal with it.
What would of happened if that judge in 1978 said to women you cant work on the same level as men SO DEAL WITH IT? women would rally like they did and get what they want. Why is it not ok for these players to speak out?
The players are just told to be quiet and the media is told
its”taken care of” by there team and the nfl so basically under NFL law these guys lose there 1st ammendment rights to privacy. We all know that the players are just getting threatened. Why is that ok?
Another thing I dont understand is that all the female reporters I see writing want to bash the Jets but no one offers up the idea that maybe just maybe we should just have interviews after the men dress. To me the simple answer here is take the media out of the locker room. For some reason there is not ONE woman who agrees. You have to ask yourself why? I also dont see women grouping together trying to urge there way into Female sports locker rooms , If women want to help women.. why not because apparently the locker room interview is the best there is, the reporters get to talk to players while there upset and emotional right. So why dont we try to help womens sports by showing these truly epic interviews? WHY?
ANOTHER THING that most female journalist when writing about this situation love to say is that all media has access to female sports at the given time just like mens, BUT WHAT THEY FAIL TO EVER SAY is in Female sports the media give a grace period of time for the women to get dressed and showered ? Why do the Men in sports not Deserve the same rights?
Why cant one female reporter answer the question , Do they think its wrong to enter the mens room while men are naked and changing? This Female reporter shows up at a PRACTICE not a game … to interview 1 guy and 1 guy only MARK SANCHEZ … so intead of waiting in the hallway for him to show up she sits in the locker room and checks out 52 naked men because its a PERK of the job. Heres another idea if you can Ignore looking at mens penis’s like you all claim you do why cant you ignore things you hear? Heres a lady you may of heard of Patti Shea she worked with the dodgers heres a link to what she put in the newspaper about her experience.. how professional
( [www.lukeford.net])
now you would think after a article like this REPORTERS both male and female would be kicked from the locker room of course not.
IF YOU CAN SIT HERE AND TELL ME THAT ALL OF THAT IS NOT A BLATANT DOUBLE STANDARD. WELL GOD BLESSthis isnt the inez’s first time making headlines…Inez First measuring players arms at the superbowl, and then having cowboys hoist her on there shoulders, TV azteca made headlines when one female reporter showed up to the patriots locker room in a wedding gown asking tom brady to marry her. So another question if its ONLY full credential reporters allowed in the locker room. How does the NFL allow this type of reporter in the locker room?
SIMPLE SOLUTION… DONT GO IN THE LOCKER ROOM NO MORE
I doubt all that matters because in the end most female reporters care about the female agenda and nothing else.
Well, we obviously have to do something about this.
The question is: Why?
Didn’t read article, already know what she’s gonna say.
dave n al bundy Nail meet Mr. Hammer…well said
HOLD ON HERE PEOPLE !
At this point, how do we know something inappropriate ACTUALLY happened. It would only be fair to await for the result of an investigation before condeming any wrongdoing.
Seems Ms Sainz has been enjoying A LOT of publicity from these accusations. How do we know she is not doing this to “be the news” instead of reporting it? Have any other female reporters received such treatment from the Jets? Where are the witnesses ?
Things that make me wonder if this is not the case here:
1. More professional and credible female sports reporters do not dress in ways that attract attention to themselves such as she does.
2. She also seems VERY willing to be interviewed by just about any media outlet. Surely she is not the first reporter to face such antics (in this case, allegedly) but somehow this incident is becoming a HUGE story.
Though few of us would be surprised if indeed salacious comments were made by some of the Clinton Portis’ of the world … that fact also makes professional athletes in general an “easy” target for publicity (or money) seeking individuals. Would not be the first (or last) time.
There’s dressing professionally, and there’s dressing like Ines Sainz. This is like Mike “The Situation” from Jersey Shore complaining that he’s not taken seriously.
If you want professional athletes to act like people in any other job, then treat them like people in any other job. They’re not though. In what other field of work do journalists hang out in a locker room, while waiting to interview people who have just come out of the shower?
I’m sure Maria Sharapova allows journalists into her locker room after tennis matches too.
Hi Bacon Rules!
Just FYI – Totally agree with what you’re saying here, but the way to get a woman’s attention is to completely ignore them. It makes them want you more… if they’re attractive anyway.
I have a couple of comments about this.
First and foremost, if she is a “profesional” reporter… She should dress like one. Not like a fluzy. That will likely help.
Second I would like to see several male “reporters” dress in provocative attire and try to enter a WNBA locker room while they are getting dressed. If they can’t…. WHY not?
I don’t really think that she was “asking for it” but she needs to dress like a profesional reporter not a professional madam.
If I was in a locker room and she was there, i’d strut right out in the buff and the minute she looked at my i’d file for harasment. Wonder how that would go over in court.
@David “In any workplace in America, unwanted sexual comments = sexual harassment.”
You know what else is not welcome in the workplace? Dressing like Sainz did! Again, let’s hold men and women to the same standards. And yes, I do have a job. I own my own business, so I think I know a thing or two about working. Why else do you think this site isn’t blocked at my office?
Also, are you trying to insult me by saying I have lots of success with women who have low self-esteem? Who cares if they have low self-esteem? It’s not something I take into consideration or even notice most of the time. Given your life of monogamy with a woman of “self-respect” and “intellect” and my life of courting beautiful young women for short-term and primarily sexual relationships…yeah, I’m gonna stick with my plan. Thanks anyway, though.
Also, just to let you know, your girlfriend is thinking about guys like me when you two are having sex.
Why should I take any anonymous comments seriously?
Bottom line is they should just make reporters wait outside of the locker room as They do for other sports, Require players to go to a PRESS room. So Poor Allison hanging around with a bunch of Dicks…Allison do you or any other women care about how men feel as women are wondering around the lockeroom as they are showering and getting dressed…And don’t say you have never sneaked a peak or two…It doesnt matter does it because they are men…Men don’t really like getting undressed in front of other men much less women in that kind of situation
Who knew that Ms. Anonymous would have a dictionary in the kitchen.
Okay. As a chick, I’d like to point out a couple of items about this whole situation:
First, there are nice guys and not-so-nice guys in any line of work, just as there are nice women and not-so-nice women. In any situation, I think that the question one should ask is if they are actually intending harm or just being an asshole. Intending harm should be reported and stopped. Being an asshole should be addressed directly with the person (if you are confrontational) or ignored (if you aren’t).
Second, true sexual harassment is not okay. However, in order for it to be true sexual harassment it needs to be objected to and then it needs to continue. This was not the case in this situation. In fact, Sainz didn’t even really object to it at all. Someone else objected to it on her behalf.
Third, she’s just making the most of it by getting on every talk show she can. Considering we live in a world where celebrity is more important than competence, I’m not terribly surprised, nor should she be condemned. She’s continuing to be honest about it and not pretending to be some wounded victim – which would be harmful to any actual victim of harassment.
Finally, no one should be in the locker room. While it is technically the work place for players, it is also a bathroom. I get to choose who comes into my office at work. Even if I didn’t, I would certainly still get to go to the restroom alone – not just without men to accompany me, but also women.
Of course, this is just one chick talking. I work on spreadsheets for a living. They rarely give me a lewd look or make catcalls. ;)
Oh…one more thing…there is a typo in the introduction:
In the wake of this this Ines Sainz/Clinton Portis business…
I’m pretty sure just one “this” is needed. I know…nag, nag, nag.
Allison first off take your own advice and read what I wrote I said unless your on the field with the player you are not their coworker,and i’m not trying to be rude Allison when I say this but I wonder how many of the players consider you a co-worker. I mean no disrespect but i am a RPT @ ST. Agnes hospital and we have and admin dept that while employed by the same hospital and have a very vital role to play they are not my co workers. Your coaches and on field staff would be considered at a stretch co workers and while I will concede that while you may be part of the team you are not a coworker, but back to the point my comments were adressed to the rights of womens to enter a male locker room during the players dressing and undressing periods. As a man who considers himself a real man and a southern boy that loves and respects all the strong women in my life and the positive influences they have made in my growth as a man I would never condone or support disrespecting a woman in any situation. My belief is to treat every woman as if she were your mother, sister, or daughter in hopes that the men they encounter will do the same. My replies were in response to women in the locker room and I dont care if your a female owner of a football team you should not have access to a mens locker room where men are in various state of dressing and undressing. To utilize your example where in the corporate world would it be acceptable for men to enter a women’s locker room while they are dressing and undressing or vice versa. On behalf of all men wether willing or not I formally apologize to you and all women working in any industry for any instance in which your were made to feel uncomfortable because of your sex, I have much love and respect for women as a group and you as an individual Allison. I would have no problems with a female coach as long as she could do the job and take my Cowboys to the Bowl. Just keep her out of the locker room while they are changing. Peace and Love Allison
@Guess I Am A Caveman’s response to David dammmmmmm thats cold and unless you know the context of Clinton Portis’s statement the question that illicited the response its quite possible the answer was directed at a specific question and not comments made to the questionable reporter in question
as usual the media practice its self serving indignation of condemning atheletes while ignoring the fact that they forcing themselves in male locker rooms and then acting like they are the victims. They ignore the double standard of how male and female atheletes are treated as it is all about them. sports media are the biggest hypocrites on the industry, condemning anyone who challenges their rights while not giving the atheletes rights and feelings a second thought. When they push for equal rights for atheletes male or female, as well as reporters I will listen, until then its all self serving bs
Tits or GTFO
Fact is this professional sports reporter was an invited guest of the team. She was there to do an interview and story on Mark Sanchez. She was not parading around the dressing room and checking out packages. Grown men acted like jerks and now the league feels compelled to teach these grown men what their parents and female siblings failed to do. Egos aside, a provocatively dressed woman MAY not have the slightest interest in provoking YOU. And I’d be willing to bet that catcalls and wolf whistles only work on the assortment of groupies and man-meat who’s purpose and existence is only to take 1 …(or 12…) for the team. Though blessed with the body of a goddess, Ines Sainz was also blessed with a journalistic talent that allows her to choose when, where, and from whom when she does seek male attention.
@ kompleatkaos says how exactly do you know she wasn’t checking out packages I mean she could be checking them out and having a conversation with you at the same time and you’d never know I check out women all the time and my girl rarely catches me at it. and well quite honestly women are better at than we are basically stick to what you know for a fact then you sound a little less like a lune
“Well, my answer to the second question is, “Like professional athletes”. Emphasis on the “professional”. This is your job and you are at work, and in no other industry would behaving the way you do towards female co-workers be acceptable. Football should not be an exception.”
But there is an exception, you are actually going into a place where members of the same and opposite sexs are showering and changing clothes. So if you really wanted no execption, you should argue for the players right to privacy. There is no other job that allow’s you to interview your subject getting dressed is there? Your “no exception” arguement is not valid. I think you like the double standard and your access to view rich naked athletes as part of your job. You should at least be honest if you wanted to be considered credible.
Anyone wondering why the Arabs are winning. How will you locker room ladies feel once you’re covered and obedient? Keep asking for it. It’s in our lifetime. Wake up girls!
To believe that female reporters should be allowed in a male locker room is the epitome of feminist hypocrisy.
The Feminist Movement is ultimately about gaining power and control over men. And the fact that females are now allowed into a male locker room when the men are naked or semi-naked reveals just how successful that agenda has become. It is successful to the point that any male athlete that dares speak out against this blantant invasion of his basic human rights to privacy, respect, and dignity is immediately slapped down by intimidation and threats of the loss of his job and income by feminists, feminist organizations, and those who have been brainwashed into believing it is clothed female reporters that experience sexual harrassment in a male locker room rather than the athlete.
I addressed this issue in detail in a 4-part article posted on The Cypress Times ([www.thecypresstimes.com]). It explains why the arguments feminists use to rob male athletes of their basic human rights are flawed and hypocritical.
If feminists and female reporters were truly interested in equal rights they would insist that the sports organizations forbide all reporters – male and female – from being allowed in the locker room. Rather, a room would be specifically set aside for the purpose of interviewing the athletes after they are dressed. But they don’t. They insist on bullying their way into the locker room in the name of equality.
It seems the idea of equality for feminists is the subjugation of men.
Amazingly, many people are viewing female reporters in male locker rooms was victims. Thete many male athletes who are forced to disrobe and shower in front of female reporters because their female right to be a reporter trumps a man’s fundamental right to his own privacy. I find that astonishing. Female athletes retain their fundamental human right to privacy.
The victims are the men who quietly endure the humiliation and degradation of forced cross-gender exposure. I think that is really why some of the victimized men act out and “harass” the female victimizers
Forced cross gender exposure, not matter how “professionally” couched, is still fundamentally wrong. Society would never subject women to it
I have no compassion or sympathy for females who degrade and demean men by insisting that they have a right to men’s locker rooms. I wish these females, the lawyers, and the judges who allow this misandrist discrimination against men would be subjected to the same kind of treatment. I bet they would have a change of tune very quickly. But females will never be subjected to this legal abuse and sexual assault.